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25 Reasons Why You Should Understand Neil Boortz Is Wrong

Tue Feb 6, 2007 2:15 PM EST
science, climate-change, global-warming, climate, greenland, glaciers, antarctic-ice
By Jason Coleman

Photos of polar bears on chunks of ice taken by science team members of the 2004 Beaufort Gyre Expedition Project, north of Alaska. Polar bears have become the a symbol of global warming as their hunting habitat, floating Arctic ice, is gradually disappearing due to the greatest warming at the highest latitudes. While global warming cannot be credited with confidence for any one event, such as these interesting loose chunks of ice which have been formed into odd shapes by the wind, scientists explain that ocean levels will rise and polar ice will continue to melt at ever-increasing rates as average global temperatures increase.

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This is an expanded copy of a comment I made in response to (a seed of) Neil Boortz' "Why Am I Skeptical About Man-Made Global Warming?" [Note: Good luck finding the article in the seeded link, you can find it here, tough]. That piece was so wrong as to be contemptible. Here are the facts with more links to back it up; something Boortz was incapable of providing. That's because he had to either make up stuff of just believe the lies of others to write that article.

Also, I've tried to point out which items are science and which items are policy (or political in nature), which are two different parts of the discussion. Simply because one disagrees with a proposed policy doesn't mean one need to reject the science; a concept which is sorely missing on the skeptic side of this 'debate.'

  1. The U.N. is anti-American? What about NASA, NOAA, NIST, EPA etc.? These are American science institutions who clearly have our nations best interest in mind. The fact that the IPCC, which was established by the U.N. (who if they said the sky was blue, Boortz would claim was red). Then again, I imagine that Boortz hates all the federal government agencies, too. However, that hardly makes them un-American nor does it make the IPCC, which is made up of many American scientists un-American. [policy]
  2. Communist rhetoric aside, there's nothing stopping a free-market approach to solving global warming right now. Sure, we may have to enact some regulation, but that's nothing new to U.S. policy, especially when it comes to energy policy, and it hardly makes us Communists. [policy]
  3. Solar forcing is widely researched in climate science. The sun plays a key In fact, solar forcing is mentioned as a partial component of warming on Page 2 of the IPCC Summary for Policy Makers (SPM, hereafter). [science]
  4. There is no global warming on Mars (nor any other of our solar system's planets), at least not anything at all like what we have recorded on Earth. It's a tired myth that comes up all the time, and has yet to be true. [science]
  5. I think this chart clearly shows that the 1930's were not warmer across the globe. Boortz is simply wrong here. [science]
  6. Another tired old argument is the global cooling myth (more here). While some MSM publications did have some scary headlines, climate scientists were not the one's causing the alarm thirty years ago, and certainly not with any large consensus like we have now. This is just more reason to listen to what the scientists have to say instead of untrained journalist mouth-pieces (ex. - Neil Boortz). [science]
  7. One degree doesn't sound like much, but it's an annual global mean. Just because we wouldn't notice (or even mind) in the short term doesn't mean it's not a huge deal. Remember, this is global warming and not just raising the thermostat in your house. Further, the arctic is rising at a much higher rate, melting arctic ice which proves problematic in the lower latitudes, even if the temperature here doesn't change as much. Otherwise, cute attempt at ignoring a problem. [science]
  8. It's simply not true that the so-called "Hockey Stick" graph has been proven false. On the contrary, the National Academy of Sciences found that the so-called "Hockey Stick" graph was indeed accurate science, and the 4th Assessment from the IPCC appears to agree that the last 50 years were likely warmer than any in the previous thirteen centuries. Too bad for skeptics (and people who ignore the news). However, even if the graph was incorrect, which is highly doubtful, it wouldn't matter as it's far from the only evidence at hand. [science]
  9. The policy of the Kyoto protocol has nothing to do with the cause of global warming. However, too many people are prematurely calling Kyoto failed (as in past tense) when we've not even finished the second phase yet. [policy]
  10. However, the Kyoto protocols can also be seen as an initial attempt to curb greenhouse gases. One which clearly needs work and the support of the U.S. government. [policy]
  11. One of the more recent argument's I've heard lately is with regards to climate scientists who lie or stretch facts in order to secure funds for future research. I think anyone who is familiar with the grant writing process would instantly recognize this is as ridiculous, but clearly this argument is for their benefit. First of all, research grants are not easy to come by, even for those who have secured them in the past. Secondly, are we then to distrust any research as a result of continued grant money? What about cancer research or quantum computing? Research in a multitude of fields is funded by federal (and some state) grant money and it is absurd to discount its validity based on that. Secondly, it is simply poor logic on one hand to demand more precise data and then on the other deny the people who seek to provide it. [policy]
  12. I don't wish to "punish" anyone who disagrees with me, as Boortz and other militant skeptics might assert. I am trying to get them to see reason and understand the science. I just am astounded by some people's willingness to ignore sound science. Then again, I'm also astounded when people ignore the advice of their physicians, which is an appropriate analogy here. Neither is smart. However, that being said, I do wish to call out someone who is perpetuating myths and that is exactly what Neil Boortz is doing. He is either lying or mislead, but he is most definitely not right. [policy]
  13. The Medieval Warm Period. Yet another popular myth. The short answer: it's global warming, not just European warming. [science]
  14. One scientists said something that is taken out of context? This hardly proves anything other than someone's willingness to spin the comments of another. However, neither the so-called "Medieval Warm Period" nor the "Little Ice Age" disprove global warming. (Actually, nothing disproves global warming since it's clearly been observed.) Further, to accept those events as evidence, one must then accept our the science of paleoclimatology, as in "the Hockey stick." [science]
  15. Portions of the Antarctic ice sheet are thickening, but yet loosing overall volume due to shrinking area. In short, global warming results in great air moisture which in turn results in more precipitation. Oh, what does it matter, Boortz didn't care about the science to begin with… This is cherry picking data at best and simply lieing at worst. Either way, we have a number of measurements (the most accurate is probably NASA's GRACE satellite measurements, which detect gravity changes) which point to a loss of Antarctic ice. [science]
  16. Well, once again, It's global warming, not U.S. warming. The temperature difference isn't the same everywhere (particularly wrt latitude). However, the U.S. is definitely getting warmer along with the rest of the globe. [science]
  17. Here's one of the Boortz' inconsistencies that a lot of people, myself included, picked up immediately. Interesting that in one sentence we can't know what's going on with the majority of the world's glaciers because we haven't visited them and in the next Boortz claims to know exactly what is happening with them. The fact is, most glaciers are losing volume (globally, glacial volume is decreasing) and we don't have to set foot on them to know this. We have satellites that take remarkably accurate measurements, in addition to other means of measurement. [science]
  18. Again, a portion of the Antarctic ice increased. The author of this study has clearly stated that this cherry-picking of data represents nothing but a misleading use of science, which has happened before and at least one author has spoken out on. [science]
  19. Yes. Sea levels change naturally as the Earth's climate changes. However, both are changing at a rapid and previously unrecorded rate. That's really kind of the concern here. A large part of climatology is to pick out what is natural, cyclic phenomena and what is not. In short, were the current global warming observations a result of natural cycles, we'd be able to see them in the paleoclimate data, which we do not. [science]
  20. Like Antarctica, the total volume of ice is receding in Greenland. Further, it's doing so at nearly twice the pace previously though to be occuring. We recently discovered what was thought to be a peninsula was actually an island that had been connected by ice. It isn't anymore. [science]
  21. While the margin of error in some studies may support the notion that there have been multiple ice ages in the past 3,000 years (most global temperature reconstructions are for only 2,000 years or less), the Earth is clearly warmer today than it has been in 400 years, and likely for more than 2,000 years (ref. item number 14 above). [science]
  22. The Earth's temperature has decreased? Boortz has truly gone off the deep end. Global temperatures have most definitely not decreased. I honestly don't know of anyone who believes otherwise. If Boortz had provided any sort of reference, I might be able to address this one, but he didn't. Of course, he expects his readers (and listeners) to take everything he says as fact without bothering to check it out. All I can do is suppose this might be what he is talking about, which is shown to be incorrect. [science]
  23. An NPR reported wouldn't interview a scientist is evidence of what? Much like Kyoto, the willingness of a journalist to interview a scientist has nothing to do with the science. If this is a crucial piece of evidence, why ever listen to a scientist in the first place? [policy, but that's even being kind]
  24. More on grant money. Contrary to Boortz' claim, if these scientists are in it for the grant money, they are most certainly not saying it's settled. It can't be both. The fact is, most scientists are wanting to pin down the effects so we can back out a solution of what to do about it. This goes hand in hand with making sure the initial assumptions are right. This is science, and it's clearly something Boortz doesn't get. However, we do know enough about climate and what is happening to begin to enact some policy to try and curb the negative consequences. This goes directly to the common confusion about science versus policy. [policy]
  25. More of that Ice Age stuff? Well, the point is, Time (and Newsweek) aren't peer-reviewed science journals and if you look at what those said at the time, there was not prediction of global cooling and most climatologists clearly said that there was no reason for alarm of cooling (ref. item number 6 above). Of course, as we see now, the mainstream press has a really hard time understanding what scientists are saying. The fact is, the greenhouse effect has been understood since the 1800's (yes, that's right) and climate science is a mature field which quite possibly has the most stringent review of any science in the world. The Fourth Assessment Report by the IPCC represents what may very well be the single most peer-reviewed science document in history. To ignore it with the psuedo-logic and poor understanding of science is nothing short of sad. [science]

Boortz' article clearly shows that he knows nothing of the subject he's claiming to be a skeptic about. However, I have not doubt that like many other radio mouthpieces who know nothing about science, his listeners and readers take it without doubt. Further, he continues to provide mis-information to feed doubt, even on some of the most ridiculous subjects. Most recently (note: that link may be bad in a few days, given his poor site management system) he claims that a recent cold spell in Chicago is somehow evidence that global warming isn't happening (common skeptic tactic is to confuse weather with climate) and further he provides a link to a petition which supposes to have a mass of scientists against global warming. Never mind that it's six years old and has widely been criticized as misleading and a fraud.

I believe I've clearly demonstrated what a fraud Boortz is when it comes to global warming and really, science in general. He's wrong on every account and simply doesn't understand what he's writing or talking about. I think it's high time that we all started calling this stuff what it is instead of pretending it's just the other hand of an equal debate. It's not. It's a bunch of mis-leading information meant to cast hard science in a poor light out of some fear of possible policy actions (Boortz is an adamant anti-federalist). There is no significant debate over whether man is causing climate change in scientific circles and the sooner the mas media understands this, the sooner we can all get to solving the problem.

Anyone who would like to read more should check out some of the following (I'll add more as I find time):

  • Real Climate - Archive of Climate Scientists' blog
  • Grist - How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic
  • New Scientist (UK) - Special Web section on Climate Change
  • NERC Climate Challenge - Skeptics ask, climatologists respond
  • Scientific American - George Musser replies to skeptic arguments against global warming and all the related blog posts by the editors.
  • Pew Center - Climate Change 101
  • NASA on the difference between Climate and Weather
  • Live Science - The History of Climate Change Science
  • National Geographic - Global Warming Fast Facts and "What is Global Warming?"
  • BBC's Environment correspondent, Richard Black: "Climate science: Sceptical about bias"

Most importantly, everyone should read the Summary for Policy Makers [.pdf] from the Fourth Assessment by the IPCC, published online last Friday. It's really hard to overstate just how important this document is. This document contains the state of the art in climate science.

Jason Coleman is a structural engineering who lives, practices, and writes in Richmond, VA, where he enjoyed last month's Indian summer but despises the currently cold political climate towards science. This article also appeared on Jason Coleman.net under a Creative Commons 2.5 license which applies to this here as well.

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  • Public Discussion (22)
Mykola Bilokonsky

Jason, it just struck me that you're one of the most consistantly intelligent, well-spoken and calm writers on newsvine. I find myself looking forward to everything you write, because I know I'll learn something. Thanks for that.

  • 15 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 2:26 PM EST
munzilla

I second that.

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 2:32 PM EST
kurtstack

Excellent article Jason. You clearly have a very good grasp of both the scientific and political influences in this debate. I wish more articles could focus on the points you have so clearly laid out here, and not the propaganda. The AMS statement on global warming provides a nice summary of the science as well. I'm not sure how to link to that AMS statement, but I seeded it today. Don't worry, I think the majority of the writers on this topic have been convinced of the facts, Boortz is certainly in the minority, which is a victory in itself. Our task now is to work on innovations to help society cope with the inevitable climate changes that lie ahead. It's time to stop arguing the science and start working on the solutions.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 4:09 PM EST
Jason Coleman

Thanks, everyone up and down this page, for generous comments. I don't write very often (here, anyway) but I really want it to count when I do. I should have made this an article to begin with instead of a lengthy comment on another person's column but I had just hammered that one out during my lunch break on Friday in the place of actually going get some lunch. This (v2) has some more substance and more links to find further information to back up what I'm saying.

I fully agree with kurtstack that we should be moving on past this petty stuff and looking for solutions to the challenge in front of us. It honestly bothers me that we (Americans) have to continue to wade through this sort of stuff just to get to that point. I did read the AMS statement, and if you get the chance to read it I'd encourage you to do so in addition to the links I've added at the bottom of the page. You could spend weeks of your life reading all of those and that's just the tip of the iceberg in climate science (pardon the pun).

This is a remarkably complex subject which has more data and research pouring in daily. It's on the level of quantum mechanics or genetic engineering, except this requires that we all understand it enough to know that something must be done. I don't ask that people live like cavemen or institute a socialist government. I want to see people understand the benefits of reducing energy needs. I think that there is are viable solutions to climate change at hand that will not hurt this country economically but rather put us ahead of the curve for the future. We have been the world leader in technological innovation for many years and that will be a key part of the solution.

Again, thanks a great deal for reading this. I hope that it benefits the community.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 10:58 PM EST
vas

I went to Neil Boortz's page with the intention of posting a link to your excellent rebuttal, Jason. But, unsurprisingly, he doesn't allow people to comment on his articles. I do suggest that people who see references to Boortz's article elsewhere on the web to simply point to this one.

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed Feb 7, 2007 2:13 PM EST
Jason Coleman

Thanks for the effort, vas. I don't get impression that Boortz really cares what others think (or even what the facts) are when it comes to forming his opinions, so no, we shouldn't be shocked that his site doesn't allow for comments. That, and the fact that even finding a permalink is difficult; hallmark of a poorly designed site. Not that I think that Boortz did it himself. I'm sure he has people for that.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Wed Feb 7, 2007 2:18 PM EST
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vicaxp

Great article! Well done!

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 2:33 PM EST
Pamela Drew

Very nice work here and so glad to see that Boortz nonsense shown for exactly what it is, fluff.

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 2:57 PM EST
Ageing Hippie

Great rebuttal, someone should tell Boortz to come here and read some real facts

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 3:44 PM EST
Eric Atienza

Great work. I often read people saying any number of Boortz' points, and occasionally people who are somehow undecided based on some of those falsifications. Hopefully those people will read this article. While I've always accepted the idea of global warming, I've probably Gotten Smarter about the specifics of it from you more than from any other user on the Vine.

  • 9 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 5:05 PM EST
npat

Jason, congratulation on the nice job in countering the falsehoods above.

However, my position is that NOAA administrators and the National Weather Service (NWS) staff have not had

our nations best interest in mind.

NOAA administrators and the NWS staff in general, which have been run by retired military generals for more than a decade, have had only their own best interests in mind, not the nation's - from my experience of having worked for NOAA's NWS as a hydrologist from 1976-2005.

Thanks for your comprehensive summary on the state of the science.

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 5:54 PM EST
WebWeasel

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm so tired of the same lame and completely debunked anti climate change talking points.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 6:04 PM EST
Colorado Bob

Here ... Here ....

These folks have no outrage when the White House sent a Texas A&M drop-out to censor Dr. Hansen's work.
It's exactly what the Commies did in the USSR. That doesn't bother them one bit.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 7:57 PM EST
Gideon Polya

Jason - Congratulations! Well said and well done!

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 9:30 PM EST
Jason Coleman

Photo and caption in response to this equally unfounded article. I tried to respond there, but people just didn't seem interested in listening (more conversations about what polar bears eat and if geese are pests than about the fact the author was dead wrong). Frankly, the fact that article has so many votes and comment when it is nothing more than a blog post based on an easily disproven lie king of bothers me. I'm not saying that everyone should come and vote for my articles; just that so many people just buy into this stuff so easily.

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 10:09 PM EST
tschreck

jason-

you left out the one about boortz being an idiot shill....

but enough of that can you help me with my structures III homework?

  • 3 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 10:27 PM EST
Jason Coleman

Well, I was just trying to be polite. Of course, he might know the truth and not be telling it anyway. That wouldn't make him an idiot, just a liar. As for being a shill, well, I don't know who pays him.

Structures III? How many classes do they make you guys take these days? Ah, they probably just call them all different things at different universities.

  • 2 votes
#11.1 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 10:34 PM EST
tschreck

ever the diplomat.. i can never be so nice.

my mArch program requires 3 semester of structures.. this one is the last of the them and it covers advanced timber and steel beam, columns and cable design as well as reinforced concrete design.

im finally getting to the point of using some of the diagrammatic solutions in my designs. the bending moment diagram for a cantilever makes for a pretty sexy bridge!

:-)

  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 11:00 PM EST
Jason Coleman

Damn straight it does. That squared polynomial makes for a gorgeous arch, doesn't it? While not exactly a moment diagram, one of the most famous examples is L'Eiffel tower; nearly the moment diagram for a cantilever.

Oh yeah, global warming. Bad.

  • 3 votes
#11.3 - Wed Feb 7, 2007 12:14 AM EST
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Writer X

Nicely written Jason. I can't believe I read through all that :)

I just checked out your site. I love the video you posted on Web 2.0.

  • 3 votes
Reply#12 - Wed Feb 7, 2007 4:04 AM EST
chill

Why are global warming proponents insisting that the matter is settled and that no further scientific research is needed? Why are they afraid of additional information?

good article.

So often skeptics ask why people seem to want to stop debate.

The answer is simple. The time for action is long past. There needs to be a bias for action, even as research continues.

  • 6 votes
Reply#13 - Wed Feb 7, 2007 5:01 AM EST
Keter

I agree. At this point it's time to stop debating the 'if' of climate change, develop new predictive models, and concentrate on figuring out how to survive this and get back in balance. Fingerpointing and political posturing are not a survival skills when faced with a global extinction event.

  • 4 votes
#13.1 - Wed Feb 7, 2007 11:48 AM EST
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