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Jones Soda Will Switch To Pure Cane Sugar

Seeded on Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:32 AM EST
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Jones Soda Co., looking for a marketing advantage, is making the switch to pure cane sugar from high fructose corn syrup as a soda sweetener.

"It's better for you, it's better-tasting and, overall, it's better for the environment," Peter van Stolk, the company's chief executive officer, said Tuesday.

Seattle-based Jones, which makes root beer, cream soda and quirky drinks with flavors such as turkey and gravy, will sell 12-ounce canned sodas with pure cane sugar after Jan. 1. All of the company's products will make the switch by mid-2007, van Stolk said.

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Derek93

hopefully it will start a trend and I won't have to order my Dr. Pepper anymore from out west

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:50 PM EST
Miss Dev

Yey! I only drink sodas made with pure cane sugar - so this is super exciting! I think that their drinkers are going to be very pleased with how much better soda is without corn syrup and other non-sugar sweetening agents.

Their "Turkey & Gravy" is part of a Thanksgiving 4-pack that is as much a joke as anything. It's really a display item, and not necessarily for imbibing.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:16 PM EST
Jason Coleman

I've been enjoying their sugar-free beverages lately (Cherry soda is really good), so I don't know that it will affect me too much. However, it's good news. Now, if only Heinz Ketchup would stop using corn syrup, I'd be set. Why Heinz, why? You invented the health food market!

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:24 PM EST
Cary Quinn

I wonder if that includes their "new" organic brands of Ketchup?

I'll have to check... According to their press release, the organic ketchup contains (along with organic tomatoes) organic sugar, spices and onion powder.

http://www.heinz.com/News_organic_ketchup.aspx

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:00 PM EST
Jason Coleman

Thanks, Cary. I haven't seen those in any of my local grocery stores but I'll be on the lookout for them (even though clearly they've been on the market for four years). However, barring buying them local, I suppose I could just order some (ah, the internet).

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:04 PM EST
Pamela Drew

An fyi on the corn syrup-sugar switch. It is virtually impossible to make any organic products with corn syrup because so much is from Round Up Ready corn and even conventional crops are highly contaminated. It is easier to use a non genetically engineered crop group for organic. In traditional products, nom-organic, you will be seeing a big shift from corn syrup use because the medical community, beginning with the cancer researchers, have come into the gmo health issue and as they have come up the curve on the gmo's, corn, soy and canola being replaced in every food group with increasing speed. Look at the shelves for cereals from other non-gmo grains and the return of sugar to many products.

  • 3 votes
#4.3 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:31 PM EST
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Brian Ford

If you really want to taste the difference -- buy a coca-cola bottle produced in Mexico and compare it to a bottle produced in the US.

The former uses real cane sugar and the taste difference is readily apparent. (Mexican coke is far and away the better drink.)

I remember a (recent) article that involved a head-honcho from coca-cola talking about the "myth" of Mexican coke tasting better by claiming that they were made from the same ingredients and with the same processes -- despite the fact that the article pointed out that cane sugar was a differentiating factor.

I wish I could find it.

  • 11 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:11 PM EST
Jason Coleman

There's definitely a difference and it is also nearly impossible to locate on the East Coast. For the price difference of having it shipped to me, I just try and find more 'local' alternatives.

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:44 PM EST
Eric Near

There is most definitely a difference. The Coke I drank constantly when I was in Spain was far superior.

People should really educate themselves on just how bad corn syrup (especially high fructose corn syrup, found in most cheap sweets) is for your body. Refined (white) sugar isn't much better.

Sugar coated (San Francisco Chronicle)

Sweet but Not So Innocent? (Washington Post)

  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:25 PM EST
Pete ZaHutt

I can't wait to taste this Beverage firm offers pea-flavored soda with pure, cane sugar.

  • 1 vote
#5.3 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 7:55 AM EST
Glinda

Is that what it is? You're right - I noticed that in Mexico. The taste does not compare; I thought it was the rum!(which I also highly recommend)

  • 1 vote
#5.4 - Mon Dec 4, 2006 4:56 PM EST
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Daily News Rush

This is wonderful news. Corn syrup makes people fat(ter) and Aspartame used in Diet Soda causes brain tumors and other bad stuff. Thanks for posting this article - I'm going to buy Jones Soda ....not the turkey and gravy variety though.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:39 PM EST
munzilla

Jones Soda makes THE BEST grape soda in the history of soda. Cane sugar will make it even better.

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:46 PM EST
kikaiju

The diet green apple is my favorite, so switching to sugar from HFCS won't impact me much... but lately I have been hearing we now need to watch out for Sodium Benzoate, because it turns into Benzine in the body. This substance is used as a preservative in most (if not all) soft drinks.

I don't know whether that's true or not about the benzine, but that's not something I want to drink.

So does Jones use Sodium Benzoate or not? I don't have a can handy to check...

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 1:41 AM EST
jedipunk

Here is an excerpt about a study on the affects of frutcose-sweetened water vs sugar-sweetened water.

"In the study, researchers led by Dr. Matthias Tschop of the University of Cincinnati compared the effects of feeding mice fructose-sweetened water, a soft drink flavored with table sugar, a diet soft drink or water. The mice were allowed to drink as much as they wanted of their assigned beverage.

The mice that drank the fructose-sweetened water gained significantly more body fat than the others, even thought they decreased the amount of calories they ate from solid food.

' We were surprised to see that mice actually ate less when exposed to fructose-sweetened beverages and therefore didn't consume more overall calories,' says Tschop, 'Nevertheless they gained significantly more body fat within a few weeks.'

Body fat increased 11% in the fructose group, 5% in the water group, 7% and 8% in the diet and sugar water groups.

Researchers say the findings suggest the body metabolizes fructose differently than other sweeteners or carbohydrates and in a way that favors fat storage.

Between 1970 and 1990 high-fructose corn syrup consumption increased by more than 1000% largely because the nations soft drink producers switched from sucrose (sugar) to high-fructose corn syrup.

Making syrup is the second largest use of corn in North America, feeding livestock is the largest. On average Americans consume 48 pounds of corn syrup a year. (Source Anan Duming, 'Junk Food, Food Junk World Watch September / October 1991)'

Given that so much corn is used to make syrup any switch from the beverage industry makes away from frutcose could be bad news for farmers.

I would include a link to the study (or a blog about the study), but unfortunately my links are always ommited.

  • 7 votes
Reply#9 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:40 AM EST
Jason Coleman

Thanks for some of the background, jedipunk. You'll be out of the greenhouse soon, no doubt, and able to provide links (anti-spam measure here at Newsvine).

As for farmers, I can think of a great way to put all that corn to use: ethanol. It's not the perfect source of fuel, but there's not been a war over corn in some time now and we have quite a lot of it here.

  • 1 vote
#9.1 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:54 AM EST
Pamela Drew

Actually the ethanol solution is more hype than help. Much evidence exists to show it uses more energy to create than it will produce and the subsidy racket makes it especially costly to taxpayers.

The CATO study of ADM shows taxpayers nicked $30 dollars for every dollar ADM earns on ethanol and $10 bucks for every dollar on the straight corn. It isn't farmers but agribusiness reaping these profits.

  • 2 votes
#9.2 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 11:16 AM EST
Jason Coleman

As I stated, it's not perfect. I hold no illusions about farmer John growing my corn. However, in the short term, the gas for my hybrid1 still has to come from somewhere. I'd rather it be ethanol from a local source than oil from a foreign source. In choosing between two evils, I'm going to go with the domestic agricultural company rather than the international oil company that gets most of its product from countries who I'm less fond of than our own. Also, I do appreciate the link, but frankly I also take the CATO Institute with a grain of salt.

Again, ethanol isn't perfect, but I believe that biofuels have more promise than the current oil industry does. Right now, my opinion is that step one is to move away from fossil fuels and step two is expand those into even more efficient renewables.

1Note: Most current production model hybrids, such as my Ford, require an aftermarket kit to use E85. That's additional cost, but it's a reasonable price. Given that there will soon be at least one E85 station within range of my home, I'll be happy to do it. Further, this conversion is much cheaper than making my car a plug-in, which even then would only transfer the fuel source to coal instead of gas. That is domestic, but no renewable.

  • 3 votes
#9.3 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 12:14 PM EST
Pamela Drew

For what it's worth Cato doesn't usually make my list since they are fairly right wing think tank but that's what makes the ADM study more amazing. When Cato is on your case for corporate greed it's an Olympic calibre scam.

  • 2 votes
#9.4 - Sat Dec 2, 2006 1:57 AM EST
jedipunk

Responding about alternative uses for the corn surplus we would have should other beverage companies use sucrose.

I vote for more Corn-based plastics. From what I read They can bio degrade in a landfill in 45 days or so. They contain no petrolium and require less fossil fuels to create. Finally, of course, corn is a renewable source.

  • 2 votes
#9.5 - Sun Dec 3, 2006 12:13 AM EST
Pamela Drew

jedipunk I have never done any research on the corn plastics but if it is as you suggest it's something to love.

  • 2 votes
#9.6 - Sun Dec 3, 2006 12:26 AM EST
WebWeasel

The corn we grow in the US is not something that should be used for fuel or plastics. It takes a huge amount of oil to grow so you aren't using that much less oil just because it's corn based. This is also why you hear that ethanol is a net energy negative (takes more energy to produce then is produced), all the studies used corn. There are much better crops for producing fuel and plastics.

I'm sure the corn lobby will be up in arms over this. Not only is HFCS worse for you then sugar it doesn't taste as good. The only reason it's cheaper is because corn is subsidized by the government.

HFCS will get the same treatment as trans fats before long.

  • 2 votes
#9.7 - Sun Dec 3, 2006 1:13 AM EST
Kathy Gill

Holy molies, Pamela

(1995)
At least 43 percent of ADM's annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM's corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30

Have you seen a more recent study? ADM has done nothing but get larger in the intervening decade.

    #9.8 - Fri Dec 8, 2006 2:08 AM EST
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    jedipunk

    I did a little searching to find some more information to post here. Turns out it may not be as great as some of the hype I read (something I read a while back). Regardless, it still seems very promising aside from some concern people have of turning foodstuff into packaging. Current recycling facilities find PLA to be a small hassle since they have to separate it from other plastics.

    Google corn palastic and a lot of stuff comes up. There is an article in Smithsonian Magazine August 2006 and I include some excerpts below. I hope I didn't copy/paste too much. (I can't provide a direct link, yet)

    Producing PLA [polylactic acid] uses 65 percent less energy than producing conventional plastics, according to an independent analysis commissioned by NatureWorks. It also generates 68 percent fewer greenhouse gases, and contains no toxins. "It has a drastically different safety profile," says NatureWorks operations manager Carey Buckles. "It's not going to blow up the community."
    .......
    Newman's Own Organics uses PLA packaging for its salad mixes. "We felt strongly that everywhere we can get out of petroleum products, we should," says Newman's Own CEO Peter Meehan. "No one has ever gone to war over corn."
    ........
    According to a biodegradability standard that Mojo helped develop, PLA is said to decompose into carbon dioxide and water in a "controlled composting environment" in fewer than 90 days. What's a controlled composting environment? Not your backyard bin, pit or tumbling barrel. It's a large facility where compost—essentially, plant scraps being digested by microbes into fertilizer—reaches 140 degrees for ten consecutive days. So, yes, as PLA advocates say, corn plastic is "biodegradable." But in reality very few consumers have access to the sort of composting facilities that can make that happen. NatureWorks has identified 113 such facilities nationwide—some handle industrial food-processing waste or yard trimmings, others are college or prison operations—but only about a quarter of them accept residential foodscraps collected by municipalities.
    ........
    most of the corn that NatureWorks uses to make PLA resin is genetically modified to resist pests, and some environmentalists oppose the use of such crops, claiming they will contaminate conventional crops or disrupt local ecosystems. Other critics point to the steep environmental toll of industrially grown corn. The cultivation of corn uses more nitrogen fertilizer, more herbicides and more insecticides than any other U.S. crop; those practices contribute to soil erosion and water pollution when nitrogen runs off fields into streams and rivers.

    NatureWorks, acknowledging some of those criticisms, points out that the corn it uses is low-grade animal feed not intended for human use. And it processes a small amount of non-genetically engineered corn for customers who request it. NatureWorks is also investigating better ways to segregate PLA in traditional recycling facilities, and it's even buying renewable energy certificates (investments in wind power) to offset its use of fossil fuels. But there's not much the company can do about the most fundamental question about corn plastic containers: Are they really necessary?
    .....
    "We'd like to see PLA be the resin of the future, but we know it never will be," says Selzer. "It's cost stable, but it can't go above 114 degrees. I've had people call me and say, 'Oh my god, I had my takeout box in my car in the sun and it melted into a pancake!'"
    ......conclusion.....
    Eric Lombardi, president of the Grassroots Recycling Network and a leader in the international Zero Waste movement, takes a nuanced view of PLA's progress. He says it's "visionary" even to think about biologically based plastic instead of a petroleum-based one. True, he says, there are problems with PLA, "but let's not kill the good in pursuit of the perfect." He suggests that the difficulty disposing of PLA reflects a larger deficiency in how we handle trash. He's calling for a composting revolution. "We need a convenient, creative collection system with three bins: one for biodegradables, which we'll compost, one for recycling, and one for whatever's left."

    Until such a system is in place, it's going to be hard to have cheap convenience packaging and feel good about its environmental effect—to have our takeout cake and eat it too. But the manufacture of PLA does save oil and generates far less air pollution. And we have to start somewhere.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#10 - Sun Dec 3, 2006 1:03 AM EST
    Pamela Drew

    Thanks for that, very helpful jedipunk. You might want to look at the ADM-Cato study link at 9.2 too.

    • 2 votes
    #10.1 - Sun Dec 3, 2006 10:13 AM EST
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