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Georgia May OK Bible as Textbook

Seeded on Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:53 PM EST
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If a new law passes, it would be the first state to establish the Bible in its public school curriculum in modern times.

The Georgia legislature seems poised to endorse just such a course [on the Bible and references in literature]. Though students in many states enroll in classes related to the Bible, Georgia would become the first to require its Department of Education to put in place a curriculum to teach the history and literature of the Bible. Schools would use the book itself as the classroom textbook. Specifically the bill would establish electives on both the New and Old Testaments.

It has overwhelmingly passed both chambers, but needs a final vote on a minor House change. The vote is expected as early as Monday. If it passes, the state's Department of Education has a year to establish Bible elective courses in the curriculum.

The Bible is already being used as a course study in as many as 1,000 American high schools, according to the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools in Greensboro, N.C. The US Supreme Court allows it as long as it's presented objectively, and not taught as fact. But the Georgia legislature's unprecedented decision to wade into what is usually a school district initiative has created concerns.

For example, the bill's use of terms such as Old and New Testament reflect a Protestant bias, some critics say. After all, Catholics and Jews have different interpretations and names for the tome. 'To pick one is to suggest that is the right Bible, which is a school district making a faith statement,' says Judith Schaeffer, a lawyer for People For the American Way, which works to maintain the separation of church and state.

Many parents, however, may object to using the Bible as a textbook since doing so may expose their children to the book's various interpretations and criticism, some say.

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There is certainly no doubt of the influence the Bible has played in the influence of English literature. However, in my education, the allusions were explained briefly in context of the literature itself (i.e. - Billy Budd), much in the same way that Greek mythology or Roman history would be in a respective reference. I would expect to see this kind of course as a college-level elective, I'm not sure what role it would play as a high-school level (my assumption, the grade level of such a course is only implied in this story). If it were to implemented, I would expect to see a very detailed outline of the course to ensure that this was indeed teaching literature and not religion.

    Reply#1 - Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:04 PM EST
    Tyson Hamrick

    When I was in High School (granted, some 17 years ago), we had to read parts of Genesis for Senior English. I don't think anyone even raised an eyebrow. We knew it was a literature assignment, not an exercise in religion.

      Reply#2 - Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:40 PM EST
      iteachyoucomputers

      What's next, using the book of Numbers to teach mathematics? What happened to the separation of church and state that was written into the Constitution? We still have a Constitution, right? Don't we? Anyone??????

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      Reply#3 - Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:33 PM EST
      NVMojo

      Years ago, I studied the Bible at a private junior college. I paid to study it.

        Reply#4 - Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:41 AM EST
        ryleeys

        I don't understand... aren't there enough private religious schools?

        Actually, I have no problem with it... assuming that if a student requests an elective on Shintoism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Polytheism, Buddhism, etc. the elective is created and funded at the same level as the Christian elective class.

        As anti-religion as I am, I try to be rational about it. We have freedom of religion, but not necessarily freedom from religion. But as soon as one religion is not treated as an equal, hammer 'em. But hell, denying religion's influence certainly isn't helping... its grip is too strong.

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        Reply#5 - Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:46 AM EST
        Jason Coleman

        ryleeys wrote:

        Actually, I have no problem with it... assuming that if a student requests an elective on Shintoism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Polytheism, Buddhism, etc. the elective is created and funded at the same level as the Christian elective class.

        While I agree completely with this if the class in question was religious studies. However, those religions have not (yet) exerted the influence on Western literature that the Bible (and Christianity) has. I used the example of Melville's Billy Budd, which is hard to discuss using the traditional interpretation of an allegory for Christ and Satan without discussing the bible.

        Not to infer the intentions of others too much, but I'm assuming with four other comments and only one vote, that many of you saw my seeding this article as something other than passing on news. I am in no way condoning the teaching of religion in public schools, Christian or otherwise (especially in a required course). You'll find few people more opposed to that than I am. Further, the fact that the story is from the Christian Science Monitor shouldn't fool anyone who is familiar with that paper (which has not been associated with the church since it's charter).

        iteachyoucomputers

        wrote:

        What's next, using the book of Numbers to teach mathematics? What happened to the separation of church and state that was written into the Constitution? We still have a Constitution, right? Don't we? Anyone?

        Again, I do think that's a bit of an over-reaction. I do understand the concern, but you might consider re-reading the article again. I honestly believe that this is one of the least egregious attempts to involve the Bible in modern public education (ref. ID/creationism as law in required courses).

          Reply#6 - Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:03 PM EST
          ryleeys

          Okay, so why in our multi-cultural society do we focus so heavily on only Western literature?

          In Maryland, I had grammar in 9th and 10th grades, American literature in 11th, and British in 12th. That just totally ignores the shear amount of African, Asian, Eastern European, and South American (even Native American) literature that is important in our culture.

          As an American, if you want to require a whole year on American literature, that's fine... although my American lit teacher was a Transcendentalist, so that's all we studied... which was just awful.

          But we haven't been British for 200+ years. Does reading McBeth, Romeo and Juliet, and Caesar really do more for a student than reading one Shakespeare play and also some of the great Japanese literature to come out of its unification, or Gilgamesh?

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          Reply#7 - Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:51 PM EST
          ellie mae

          I've been living in Georgia for about three years. I am Christian and I think this is a very bad idea. While various religious groups, churches and individuals are sure to tout this as a huge victory (if it passes), they seem to have no idea the possible and probable consequences. Where I live there is absolutely no imaginable way to teach the Bible objectively if there is any classroom discussion.

          This really isn't the issue, though. It's political and partisan because this bill is a preemptive measure by the Republicans in response to similar legislation proposed by Democrats who were hoping to compete for conservative Christian votes. Pass or fail, it gives them something to campaign on without really accomplishing anything.

          If it weren't our children at risk I'd be inclined to let them have their way, let it run its course, and let them deal with the can of worms which would surely be opened.

          Georgia's schools already rank near the lowest in the nation in several areas. Seems like this should be the focus instead of political posturing.

            Reply#8 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:58 AM EST
            Jason Coleman

            I've almost regretted seeding this article.

            ryleeys: I think the issues you are bringing up are far outside the scope of this article. In America, high school students study English Literature which of course is overwhelmingly British and American lit. I can't imagine anyone saying that a wealth of great literature doesn't exist throughout the world in many languages, but that is a much more advanced study and out of the scope of a high school education. However, in western English literature, the Bible has often been a source of inspiration and allusion.

            The question in this article is: should a course be taught in public schools which focuses on this text alone? Apparently, I was far to subtle in my analysis so I'll be blunt: My opinion is 'No.' At the high school level, I think that time is better spent on the literature in immediate focus and the elements of it. Teaching the use of allusion doesn't require in depth study on the source. Otherwise we'll have entire courses on Plato's allegory and such. That is best left to those who wish to pursue further study at the college level, in my opinion.

            ellie arroway (is that a Carl Sagan reference or lucky coincidence?): I'd be inclined to do the same with this sort of course as well as the teaching of ID were it not for the fact that in 20-30 years these kids wouldn't be able to write objectively or perform proper science. It will serve us all more if Georgia takes it's role as public educator to its children more seriously in the future, as you point out.

              Reply#9 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:57 PM EST
              ellie mae

              Jason,

              Just a pseudonym, but not selected without a connection. I identified, sympathized and empathized quite a bit with the character in the movie. My bond with the character wasn't so much in the search for extraterrestrial life, but in the dealings with people who I believe misuse religion, science and other branches of thought for the sake of greed, power, etc. - and those that I believe misrepresent religion, science, etc. through ignorance or by being misguided. My deepest empathy with the character is in believing something yet being unable to prove it to the satisfaction of skeptics. I am intrigued by patterns, systems, groupings, sub-groupings, etc., however I'm equally fascinated when there's apparent absence of patterns, groups, relationships, etc.
              --bye for now.

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              Reply#10 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:24 PM EST
              NVMojo

              America might be a better place today if it weren't shoving it's Christian agenda down people's throats and allowed a sharing of all beliefs. In any event, spirituality is private choice and should not be pubicly mandated or paid for.

                Reply#11 - Sat Apr 1, 2006 12:43 PM EST
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